Overclocking help

[blue_fire]

Ok this is going to be hard to explain without sounding like a fanboy but here goes. Before i was a koolance supporter i was a dd and swiftech advocate and used a thermochill and a bonneville heater core. Problem with that is that the exposed copper WILL and i do mean there is nothing you can do about it, corrode. Face it, corrosive exposed metals corrode. Im sorry to say this cause it does make me feel fanboyish, but in the thremochill, the copper tubes do corrode. I ran my system with fluid xp(original) and after about 2 months or so i saw my temps just jump 1 degree. I cut my rad in half and most of it was black. i had an exposed copper block that was very dirty too. The point of koolance stuff is so that it IS computable with ALL other vendors becuase there blocks WILL NOT corrode because they are plated with gold(this DOES NOT impact cooling.) The copper radiators are three metals: Copper, Brass, and aluminum. Backburn and Demigod both have all koolance equipment, and 120.3s. It works amazing(but since they don't have any other exposed metal's corrosion is a minimum). Koolance blocks may not give you better idle temps, but a 3.6Ghz on load you will see pretty much the best temps(that we have tested with. We have tested this with a maze 4 and a st storm). 1/4" does not impact cooling hardly at all(maybe a degree) but the only thing you need to cool with 1/4" is vregs, sb, nb, ram, back of mobo, and hdd's. If you use a quad spitter you can get all of those using one 1/2" outlet(from proc or cards) and your system will scream. 1/2" is what i recommend for block and cards cause it just looks way cool. Also personally zipties and tiedowns on barbs look kinda noobish and the klance compression fittings will get a better seal anyways. I hope this clears some issues up. I personally don't care witch brands you go with as long as you get the BEST possible performance for your money. cause if your not than your getting ripped off.

EDIT: I wish you could come up and see our shop, then we would have more time to talk and be able to give you excellent examples instead of just pics, and kinda get a better idea of what you want.


Backburns system Dewm hammer system. W/c To the max


Inside of the dewmbox


Quad Split


Quad split return line


North bridge 120w block


7900GTX's with vreg blocks


Top of the 7900's


Thermochill 120.3


Tavis's 8800 block

[Backburn]

Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

Go with what blue recommends or go with Thermochill PA 120.3 rad (known to be teh best performing rad on teh market - at least that is the GENERAL consensus). Now some of my Next Gen bros say the Koolance ones are better . . .can't say that and then a Danger Den bud likes HWLABS stuff over all others so experts can disagree. But MOST people out in the intraweb think Thermochill is the way to go.

Personally I recommend the TC PA 120.3 like DB suggested. (Phew thats a bunch of acronyms!) To give you some understanding on how bad ass that radiator really is heres a bit of anecdotal evidence. I left for a week on a business trip after overhauling my system. My system ran for a week straight with no active cooling on the rad. I came back used my system for a day or so before wondering why my system was so quiet! Trouble was that my fan controller, which controlled the 3 120's on the radiator took a shit. No crashes, no slowdowns, no issues. I was cooling: X6800, 2x 7900GTX, NB/SB, GTX vRegs, and 4 HDD's. (All Koolance blocks) Everything was at stock voltages, so that may of helped. I'd attribute the fact that the rad performed well is due to its sheer mass and surface area.

When Koolance releases a 1500w rad like the 120.3 I'll give it a try. Until then, Thermochill PA 120.3 FTW!

[xo4ox]

thanks guys for your help, thats weird i didn't disable a single core on the bios i wonder why cpu-z is showing that?

i really want to do a entire wc setup and I'm very exited to, but I'm new to water cooling and its a little hard to understand all of that :s but one thing i know, i want to cool my proc and mobo and gpus and maybe the ram but i don't think the hdds need wc, do they?, and i went to FrozenCPU and looked at what they got and I'm confused just a little bit can you help me and recommend the parts i need from that store (if it has the best stuff) and how hard is it if i wanted to do it because I'm from Saudi Arabia and lets face it, it wont be easy to find someone as talented as you guys to help me out over here.

and do i need more than a 1000watt PSU??


thanks again guys

[DarthBeavis]

Originally Posted by blue_fire

Ok this is going to be hard to explain without sounding like a fanboy but here goes. Before i was a koolance supporter i was a dd and swiftech advocate and used a thermochill and a bonneville heater core. Problem with that is that the exposed copper WILL and i do mean there is nothing you can do about it, corrode. Face it, corrosive exposed metals corrode. Im sorry to say this cause it does make me feel fanboyish, but in the thremochill, the copper tubes do corrode. I ran my system with fluid xp(original) and after about 2 months or so i saw my temps just jump 1 degree. I cut my rad in half and most of it was black. i had an exposed copper block that was very dirty too. The point of koolance stuff is so that it IS computable with ALL other vendors becuase there blocks WILL NOT corrode because they are plated with gold(this DOES NOT impact cooling.) The copper radiators are three metals: Copper, Brass, and aluminum. Backburn and Demigod both have all koolance equipment, and 120.3s. It works amazing(but since they don't have any other exposed metal's corrosion is a minimum). Koolance blocks may not give you better idle temps, but a 3.6Ghz on load you will see pretty much the best temps(that we have tested with. We have tested this with a maze 4 and a st storm). 1/4" does not impact cooling hardly at all(maybe a degree) but the only thing you need to cool with 1/4" is vregs, sb, nb, ram, back of mobo, and hdd's. If you use a quad spitter you can get all of those using one 1/2" outlet(from proc or cards) and your system will scream. 1/2" is what i recommend for block and cards cause it just looks way cool. Also personally zipties and tiedowns on barbs look kinda noobish and the klance compression fittings will get a better seal anyways. I hope this clears some issues up. I personally don't care witch brands you go with as long as you get the BEST possible performance for your money. cause if your not than your getting ripped off.

EDIT: I wish you could come up and see our shop, then we would have more time to talk and be able to give you excellent examples instead of just pics, and kinda get a better idea of what you want.

Backburns system

Don't make me get Marci from Themochill in here If you have corrosion it is because you are mixing metals and you are not using proper additives. I have 4 Thermochill rads in three rigs and a few Blace Ice rads in rigs as well . . .no corrosion. Blocks: All copper. No corrosion.

As far as the compression fittings; I would not use them unless they work with Tyon 3606 (I think that is the part number) tubing . . .Use barbs instead. I have had bad experiences with compression fittings myself. With a barb you can look at it and see what is going on.

[Backburn]

Originally Posted by xo4ox

and do i need more than a 1000watt PSU??

My system has dual Ultra X-Connect 2 550w Power Supplies and pulls just 520 watts (including both supplies) at full load and overclocked with vCore at 1.8 w/ a X6800. The extra PSU powers the 7900GTXs, lights and a pair of hard drives.

Get a good 600-800w PSU max. Cooler Master has been very reliable for us on our system builds for the last couple years. Enermax and PC Power and Cooling also have great if not better, more expensive PSUs.

If you want the best PSU you can get, pick up the Koolance 1200W Liquid-Cooled PSU. Rock solid in all of our testing, very efficient, and powers all of our world record attempts. The downside is that it's pretty darn expensive. But then again you'll never have to buy a new PSU for a the next ~3 years. That is if they change the connectors, but hopefully koolance will provide new cables to allow for the different format. wink. Extending it's useful lifetime to actual component failure.

[blue_fire]

koolance.com or you can talk to us about parts and we can help you get what you need.

[DarthBeavis]

Originally Posted by Backburn

My system has dual Ultra X-Connect 2 550w Power Supplies and pulls just 520 watts (including both supplies) at full load and overclocked with vCore at 1.8 w/ a X6800. The extra PSU powers the 7900GTXs, lights and a pair of hard drives.

Get a good 600-800w PSU max. Cooler Master has been very reliable for us on our system builds for the last couple years. Enermax and PC Power and Cooling also have great if not better, more expensive PSUs.

If you want the best PSU you can get, pick up the Koolance 1200W Liquid-Cooled PSU. Rock solid in all of our testing, very efficient, and powers all of our world record attempts. The downside is that it's pretty darn expensive. But then again you'll never have to buy a new PSU for a the next ~3 years. That is if they change the connectors, but hopefully koolance will provide new cables to allow for the different format. wink. Extending it's useful lifetime to actual component failure.

Dude that is a modular supply. you can always make your own cables if need be should requirements change. Like i said, if you go Koolance go ALL Koolance.

[V2-V3]

I personally reccomend going koolance anyways, superior science and they have been in the water cooling server industry for like ~10 years, and was the very first water cooling company. Notice how dd offers 1/4 inch now? but we are getting off track, the point is we can help so give us a call. You could either call myself or travis, but i work alot and am only available 7 hours of the day past 6 pm. Where are you currently as xo4?

[DarthBeavis]

I think he needs a bigger radiator and that is probably all. The CoolIt is a pelt which probably needs more surface space to cool than teh single rad allows. I think he really wanted help with his OC . . .

[blue_fire]

His proccessor is core stepping due to extream heat issues, and one out of 4 cores is running(bad) peltiers really cant keep up with an overclocked quad core due to the sheer lack of cooling ability. on a single 120 rad we got a quad core to 3.5. The peltier system is exteamly ineffecient(5% max).
EDIT: Other than that his ocs are great! But the point of a quad core is, is to have all 4 cores running faster than 2 right?